Template talk:Quest

Todo
(Add items here to be addressed)
 * Add conditionals so that bits like Race and Calling do not show ALL of the time.

Semantics
Name is a semantic property not a namespace. -- Ciovala Talk 09:29, 1 February 2011 (CST)
 * Ok, I don't know about properties. But all the links (at least in the transcluded quest pages) should point to the correct pages, like Sylver Valis instead of the dead link Name::Sylver Valis, or Quest:Born Again instead of Quest::Born Again. Would that work: Sylver Valis? It would also be nice to have a link on each quest page to go to the quests form, e.g. Form instead of just the default edit page. --Mardur 09:51, 1 February 2011 (CST)


 * Are there any quest pages that actually refer to follow up quests to see if the namespace works? The code for NPCs could be:.
 * In case of a missing location, is it intended to link to "Unknown"? Otherwise:.
 * If "quest arcs" (objectives) also reside in the "Quest" namespace, it needs to be changed as well:.
 * A nice edit link for for quests would be, which might be included next to the "Quick Info" title or as a general "edit this quest" link on the bottom of the page.--Mardur 06:18, 2 February 2011 (CST)


 * The value of /  is not always an NPC. Two other values are used: "Automatic" and "Event". Whats the difference? Is it useful to specify what event triggers the start by supplying a complementary  /  argument? Otherwise, the value of   could be tested for equality with "Automatic" and not create a link in that case. --Mardur 07:23, 2 February 2011 (CST)
 * Thanks again for all of this! I'll put some of these on my agenda this weekend.  You can mess about in a Sandbox if you want to show examples, too. :) -- Ciovala Talk 17:09, 2 February 2011 (CST)
 * I found only one quest with  "Automatic" and that is a Dungeon Quest. We probably need a parameter dungeon/mission/raid/whatever for the quest template. --Mardur 09:28, 3 February 2011 (CST)

Location of the quest as category.
Could we get the quest to use a "[area] quest" type of category? Would be easier to make Quest lists to be sure you do every quest in a area .--Rubius 09:54, 1 February 2011 (CST)
 * The property pages (e.g. Property:Area) sort pages alphabetically and lists all values of that property for each page. What we want is the opposite, sorted values with pages for each value. I found something that helps here . If you go to Special:Ask (ugly colors due to inverted color scheme on this wiki) and search for, is shows all pages in the "Quest" namespace that contain a property "Area" with a value containing  something similar  to "of". The result is a table (again ugly colors) that can include additional columns, like "Race" or "Level". The following code changes the format to a simple list


 * and results in


 * This could automatically be added to the page template for area (to list quests and npcs in that area), npcs (to list quests with that npc), etc.
 * Another example showing all quests referring to NPC:Sylver Valis in ascending level:


 * (now I know about properties :) --Mardur 07:23, 2 February 2011 (CST)
 * Looks good - I sorta follow, but SMW has never been my strong point (honestly never really looked at it much / at all) however I've done a quick CSS hack to force the background to be nicer. Might take a bit to show up as the .css is being naughty and not always updating straight away   Maygus  talk &bull; cont 07:34, 2 February 2011 (CST)
 * Thats why you have multiple people working on a wiki. And I looked at it the first time one hour ago. --Mardur 08:07, 2 February 2011 (CST)
 * Some good stuff! Ugh, glad you saw that Special:Ask page.  I dislike how SMW has separate css files - I think it should just use my main styles.  But will look at fixing it. :(  I keep finding tons of things like that... I'd like to put that css in the offline file though.    On the subject of queries, my Sandbox User:Ciovala/Sandbox shows a simple one for all guardian quests above level 5 - has to be tons of uses for that.  Although we need to work on prettifying it. -- Ciovala Talk 13:50, 2 February 2011 (CST)

Templates for property/namespace links?
Would it be useful to have a template  generating   and similar for Quests, Area, etc? Adding namespace/property and repeating the title to hide the namespace again is a task that has to be done on lots of pages. One could even change the template in the future to show a tooltip (ilink), like for items and recipes, without changing every page again. --Mardur 08:07, 2 February 2011 (CST)
 * Thanks for all of this, Mardur. That's a good idea!  I think expanding the tooltips is one of the things 'on the list' but so far the focus was getting the item one working.  One thing we are going to do is get rid of the NPC namespace (probably anyway) and end up with just a Quest namespace and a Guild one.  I think we went a bit overboard on namespaces!  -- Ciovala Talk 13:43, 2 February 2011 (CST)
 * It would have been better (more consistent) to use "npc-box" for the page template and just "npc" for the link (as with items and recipes).
 * True, but some of the templates are ancient here and others are new so I think were going through growing pains in this area. I'm totally open for cleaning and consolidating.  I think Maygus has a bot that can clean up after changes as well. -- Ciovala Talk 11:32, 3 February 2011 (CST)

Without the NPC namespace this is not really required (but might be handy for adding tooltips). It is still valid for quests. Additionally (and actually useful) the link-template could test whether the page exists and link to the Quest/NPC/xxxx-Form instead of the general page creation. I also added some ideas and examples to your sandbox. --Mardur 09:28, 3 February 2011 (CST)
 * Check this out: User_talk:Mardur --Mardur 11:23, 3 February 2011 (CST)

Visuals
After seeing this and the other infoboxes I think we need to look at new styling. The curvey light blue stuff doesn't quite do it for me any more. Additionally, (this is sort of visual related) how about having the faction icon showing near the quest title in the infobox? -- Ciovala Talk 14:07, 3 February 2011 (CST)
 * I don't see the problem with the infobox appearance. You'd like something more "fancy" with image borders, shadow and stuff? Information should be presented in a clean and non-confusing way. I agree with the faction logo. --Mardur 08:12, 10 February 2011 (CST)
 * How does that look like? There are versions for both factions on my talk page. --Mardur 11:09, 10 February 2011 (CST)

Multiple Item Rewards
There are already comments on this at Talk:Rift_Wiki. A most generic pattern (with all parts optionally) would look like that: Quest rewards are: While Gold, XP and Faction status is fine, the list of items (and soul) needs to be addressed. Having lots of fields,  , ...  ,  , ... would be possible, but is not advised due to some coding issues arising with a fixed list of items. 
 * Gold, XP
 * All these items: Item1, Item2, ... (potentially more than 5)
 * One chosen item out of: Item3, Item4, ... (potentially more than 5)
 * Choose any soul of your calling (first 3)/A certain soul (later soul quests)
 * +x Reputation at Faction Y
 * A more flexible and easier alternative would be (multi-row) text areas (one for guaranteed items, one for choice items) and the form providing an example for the desired input format. Leave the field completely empty if there are no such items. An item reward may also depend on your class (not just class dependent like most optional items, but only offered to a certain calling, e.g. the initial combat items from Born Again). This can be addressed as well:
 * 2x
 * (Clerics only)
 * (Rogues only)
 * (Rogues only)
 * (maybe a different template  that expands to the ilink, if the page exists, see above Link/Namespace template)
 * For the soul choice, there could be a new drop down field containing: None, Any Warrior Soul, Any Cleric Soul, ..., Dominator, Warlord, ...
 * We might also add a new field to specify a quest item that needs to be used, although that is not required when the item is linked from the description text. --Mardur 08:42, 11 February 2011 (CST)