User talk:Ciovala/Archive 1

Welcome to Cio's Page
I'm only really populating this page since I hate seeing it as a redlink. :P But if you want to talk about any topics with me, please feel free to post here as well. Hit the '+' in the tabs up top to start a new section. Ciovala Talk 19:47, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I really like the new main page layout. It's much more concise and less cramped. The picture headings draw you in and take you to the main info straight away. Anagain (still need lessons in editing wiki pages - I used the + button but it didn't work as I hoped)

Hello
I just found this wiki after searching for others with Wikia problems, posting in the Riftsgames forum, and finally finding a link to the wiki :P I'm running WiKirby an independent Kirby franchise wiki, after leaving Zelda Wiki.org to branch out more for our network of independent wikis. We created NIWA on account of the plagiarizing children of Wikia, and the fact that Wikia was uber-unresponsive even when presented proof. I'm hoping you'll find time to read our manifesto here. I realize our little group is specific to Nintendo, but that was more a matter of related material interwiki linking than fanboyism. We're hoping that by telling others the tide is rising, more similar networks will form and work together. Anyway, my msn messenger account is Axiomist@msn(dot)com, email is the same, netname is the same on every site I use as well. Great looking wiki here, btw! Axiomist 06:53, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for dropping by, Axiomist!  You have an interesting idea here, so I'll add you to MSN on Friday when I'm back home - you'll find my MSN info in my account info on the official forums.  I've also had little luck with Wikia even after calling them out on it, although they did go back and make a few minor edits.  It's all about money for them of course, with ads, sponsored links, etc.  A network of independent wikis might be the way to go, we'll see.  Talk soon.-- Ciovala Talk 22:22, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

quick question
hey cio, do you perhaps have the whole npc recipe list on runecrafting in some video? the video posted in the 3rd article only goes through half of the npc recipe list. :\
 * Ugh! I'll see check the original video to see what happened.  I took some of these videos at the end and was running out of space.  I do have more crafting images on Nexus as well, though (for other crafting) - here.-- Ciovala Talk 12:19, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Hello!
Just saying hi since I'm newly registered! Thanks for setting this site up - it's already really useful and will get much more useful over time. I'm an ex-Wikipedia editor (my old userpage) so I hope to make myself useful around here after getting used to standard practices in this wiki... - Samil Talk 01:22, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Thinking about the lore/world section
I was looking through the world and lore sections (and updating the races page with the Kelari), and am thinking that it might be better to classify everything under "lore" including the page for "world". It's now a little confusing for new users since some lore-ish pages are listed under Lore, and some under The World. Whaddaya think? :) - Samil | Talk 08:09, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Scratch that. I think I'm understanding what you're trying to do here a bit better. "The World" includes all gameplay topics related to the game world including its lore, hence the latter is a subtopic of the former. I guess I was a little confused with the categorization on the main page since Gods is listed as a separate section from Lore when it should be a sub-classification. Small issue though. (Just me being nitpicky) - Samil | Talk 08:14, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comments! I was on vacation when you left them - perhaps I'll update my page with information about stuff like that.  I see where you are coming from and that might be a way to do it.  I do think the Lore category includes all of those items but the normal 'links' on a few pages have separate entries for each.  World and Lore have some slightly different meanings, so it's a bit hard to decide what do do in terms of that sort of grouping.-- Ciovala Talk 22:20, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Guides and such
Just to to let you know, I've cleaned up the citing sources page a little, in particular adding a guide to making multiple references to one source. I would actually suggest some sort of new editor template to add to new users' talk pages, with links to guides to citing, wiki markup, etc. - Samil | Talk 01:36, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's a great idea! I'd honestly not done a lot of work in that area other than some skeletal articles since we don't have an overly mature wiki editor population at the moment and no one was hardly even reading those documents.  I had been doing something small (see User_talk:Fataz for an example, but a more expanded one would come in handy.-- Ciovala Talk 15:34, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll try to create a draft one. Shouldn't be too difficult unless the template's system on this wiki is different from what I remember on wikipedia... - Samil Talk 18:46, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I did some work in these pages Category:Telarapedia, and a small guide Telarapedia:Quick_editing_guide, to give an idea of what exists.-- Ciovala Talk 19:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Welcome Template
First draft done. You just need to add YourUsername to new users' talk pages. You probably want to edit the template first before using it: you can edit the template here (note that the documentation is transcluded from Template:Welcome/doc). I've substituted the template in the section below to show you how it'll look to a new user.

Welcome Template Draft
Welcome!

Welcome to the Telarapedia, and thank you for your contributions thus far. Here are some pages that you may find useful:
 * Guide to editing the Telarapedia
 * When and how to cite sources
 * How to edit an existing page
 * How to start a new page

Also, do remember to sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes( ~ ), which automatically inserts your username and the date.

If you have further questions, feel free to leave me a message at my talk page, or refer to the help section.

Category:Templates -  Samil Talk 19:31, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Great start! I'll start getting back into the swing of things here shortly now that I'm back off holiday and almost over my flu. :)  Great work so far - it's been a great help.  Might be worth linking the forum, but that's a good start. -- Ciovala Talk 20:49, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the latest updates as well. I was obviously sleeping when I read the directions the first time around on the welcome template. ;) -- Ciovala Talk 16:11, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No you weren't sleeping! The directions for use were a little unclear so I updated them :) Basically what the Username parameter does is link the words "my talk page" to your talk page, so that the new user knows who to contact. In other words the parameter shouldn't be optional at all. :) But yeah let me know what other pages you want included in the welcome template and i'll add them accordingly. - Samil Talk 16:40, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Delete...
I'm so, so sorry to trouble you again, but could you help to delete File:Join telarapedia samil.png and File:Join telarapedia.png? I was creating some forum banners but uploaded those by mistake (too large for the forums). I'll also be merging Developers into Trion Worlds over the next few days, so Developers can be deleted anytime. Thanks a lot :) I'll be more careful creating new pages in future. - Samil Talk 18:17, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh and incidentally the smaller versions of that banner work quite well: this post :) - Samil Talk 18:19, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries on the redundant page bit. :) I did delete the two images as well, although they show up in the category for me for some reason, albeit with no image. Strange!-- Ciovala Talk 19:25, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Quest and Quests
Hey Ciovala. Having both quest and quests is a little confusing. Is there any particular reason we have both these pages? I'm thinking that redirecting quests to quest, and setting up a separate page for quest achievements might make things less confusing... Whadaya think? - Samil Talk 14:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I did some moving around and redirects about it as the Quests one is really a list of achievements anyway...-- Ciovala Talk 14:34, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Emailed
Hey Ciovala, I just emailed you about the... you know. :) You're contactable via the Hotmail account on your user page right? - Samil Talk 06:22, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Soul and Class
Hi Ciovala. I've copied all the content on class into soul and am ready to merge the former into the latter to reduce confusion, but I thought I'd check with you first. Is there any particular reason you created the two separate pages? -<font color="#FFA500"> Samil Talk 17:34, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Dammit you need to get your on IRC. This is too confusing for me still. I think the main reason is that Trion has stated that not all souls will be classes. They will have things such as "novelty souls" which will mostly do silly things or cosmetical. There is a lot of merging and cleanup that can be done here and there though I think Wobbley 17:41, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I second the IRC comment. We can't just merge them as there will be non-combat souls supposedly and not everything will be what we normally think of as a class.  Worth some discussion about what to do, though.--<span style="border: black solid 1px;padding:6px 2px 2px;-moz-border-radius:.3em;-webkit-border-radius:.3em;background-color:#181818"> Ciovala Talk 17:53, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... I always thought that souls = classes = souls since there are multiple sources stating that souls are the classes in Rift. So novelty souls are classes too, just without combat abilities. I think the difference here is one of definition: Ciovala from your reply I believe you see classes as combat-oriented, therefore so novelty souls are souls but not classes, hence the possible need to have separate pages; however I've seen Rift as replacing the concept of classes with the concept of souls, hence there is no need for separate pages.
 * Just different assumptions at work here and possibly contradictory news from the devs. I suggest that we wait a while for things to get more settled and we have a clearer idea of what to do. :) -<font color="#FFA500"> Samil Talk 07:55, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * So yup. I won't merge the pages just yet. -<font color="#FFA500"> Samil Talk 07:56, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * We do need to sort something out, though, as the redundant pages are a bit confusing. They are pretty much interchangeable words anyway and the last dev chat confirms this:
 * [19:45] Rifty: Ciovala asks: Why the use of both classes and souls when talking about what is ostensibly the same thing in the game? Is one term more appropriate to use?
 * [19:45] Cameron_McNeil: Think of it this way, we give you Souls to play with and you make your own class from them
 * --<span style="border: black solid 1px;padding:6px 2px 2px;-moz-border-radius:.3em;-webkit-border-radius:.3em;background-color:#181818"> Ciovala Talk 10:38, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I see... so the devs see a players class as simply his combination of souls. Well... I guess we'll need to KIV this soul vs. class issue for now until more info is released on, for example, novelty souls and such. -<font color="#FFA500"> Samil Talk 15:40, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Pages in category "Guilds"
Addiction is missing from this section, as well as a few other guilds, why is that?

it lists "The following 15 pages are in this category, out of 15 total." but we are listed under PvP and Defiant guilds, just not the general "Guilds" listing


 * Which "Guilds" listing are you referring to? Could you give a link? Basically what your guild up shows up as is based on the category, at least I think it is. Wobbley 23:39, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * It is working fine, your guild is just in a subcategory (those show up at the top of the Guilds category section). The ones at the very bottom are the few which aren't categories for whatever reason (as Wobbley said). --<span style="border: black solid 1px;padding:6px 2px 2px;-moz-border-radius:.3em;-webkit-border-radius:.3em;background-color:#181818"> Ciovala Talk 00:18, 24 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you that makes sense, but at the same time it allows them to be seen easier, I might have to uncatigorize us :)


 * I sorted out the bug that resulting in some guilds being in the main guilds category, so now everyone is treated the same. The things like (11P) after a subcategory on that page means that there are 12 pages inside of it.--<span style="border: black solid 1px;padding:6px 2px 2px;-moz-border-radius:.3em;-webkit-border-radius:.3em;background-color:#181818"> Ciovala Talk 13:24, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

TelarapediaFr
Hi Cio! You asked me something....my answer is: yes i did ! (I had to create this second account to mail you) --<span style="border: black solid 1px;padding:6px 2px 2px;-moz-border-radius:.3em;-webkit-border-radius:.3em;background-color:#181818"> Alania Talk 10:50, 25 October 2010 (ET)
 * Great to hear! :) I do still need you to email ciovala AT telarapedia DOT com so I can sort you out with it, though. --<span style="border: black solid 1px;padding:6px 2px 2px;-moz-border-radius:.3em;-webkit-border-radius:.3em;background-color:#181818"> Ciovala Talk 12:36, 25 October 2010 (UTC)