Template talk:Npc

I won't change it myself however there's an issue with the NPC name.

If you have a page NPC:BobSmith

And you use the template it'll create a link to Bob Smith which is kinda redundant in itself really... how are the NPC namepages going to go? Will they all be prefixed with NPC: or should they just have their names straight up. IE: NPC:Lena_Linder ?

Maygus 21:08, 9 January 2011 (CST)
 * Interesting, I think the template needs to be fixed, then. I started some of these ages ago when the game was still Heroes of Telara and there was a long pause in info so I forgot some of what I did. :)  But yeah, all were to go in NPC: namespace originally.  Is the benefit worth the annoying syntax to some people? -- Ciovala Talk 13:32, 11 January 2011 (CST)


 * I personally am VERY used to the syntax as every page in my main wiki is like that. NPC:, Item:, Location:, ect. I don't recommend the same system here, but due to the duplication of names in the other wiki and almost impossibility of finding a desired page without over 100 disambiguations, we were forced to adopt that way of naming pages. It does take many users time to get used to it, but in my opinion, it turns out better in the long run (especially in the conception of templates). --Potroast42 16:08, 11 January 2011 (CST)


 * So Potroast you're saying prefix pages with NPC: Item: etc. ? or not. The other option we can if we need to is add (npc) or (tactics) or (lore) to the end of a page name if required? Maygus 20:35, 11 January 2011 (CST)


 * So before we get TOO many pages... what will it be. All NPC pages prefixed with "NPC:" or just have individual pages named for what they are? I'm for the latter myself. 22:01, 14 January 2011 (CST)


 * Is there a decision about that matter (also for quests) so we can fix the templates? If all pages use namespaces already and Form:NPC generates new pages in the appropriate namespace, I don't really see a disadvantage compared to suffixes for disambiguation. --Mardur 09:38, 2 February 2011 (CST)

NPC Namespace
I vote we don't use a namespace for NPCs. However, I do want the Quest one. The NPC one isn't necessary imho. Please reply to this telling me if you concur.-- Ciovala Talk 11:43, 2 February 2011 (CST)


 * /sign -- 4ndreas Talk 12:29, 2 February 2011 (CST)
 * This has been actioned. No more pages are going to be created in NPC: namespace and if someone does it manually, move it and let them know!   Maygus  talk &bull; cont 09:17, 4 February 2011 (CST)

Semantic Web
The NPC page is now automatically listing all quests that are provided by this NPC, also specifying and sorted by the level of the quest. To do that, I added "Provided by:: " to Template:Quest. I also added "Requires:: ", such that the follow-up quests can also be listed automatically (will do this later). This makes both, follow-up quest and quest per NPC lists, in the template and form obsolete. I also did some reformatting of the quest template regarding lists, headlines and "None"/"Unknown" links. --Mardur 12:27, 9 February 2011 (CST)
 * Minor issue with this at the moment, some quests have a start being an item and the end being a NPC. Can you make it look for either / or in that situation ?
 * Such as Quest:Woodworking 101 is started by a Item but does not appear on the related NPC list for completing.   Maygus  talk &bull; cont 05:40, 12 February 2011 (CST)
 * OR-logic is no problem in SMW. I can search for "(Page-Item OR Page-NPC) AND offers quest X". My intention to not show the end-NPCs/related NPCs is: Imagine A provides a quest, talks about B and C (but unrelated to the quest itself, like "my mother B is not home so I have to grow the crops all on my own..."), then you have to go to D and then turn in the quest at E. Such a quest should probably not be listed as related to B and C (they have nothing to do with the quest apart from being mentioned). D and E are related (as you have to go there), but going there right away will not start the quest. --Mardur 17:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * This topic sounds very familiar: User:Ciovala/Sandbox section Problems with involved NPCs. --Mardur 17:24, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * New Quest Type "Item"? Item-quests should also contain information on how to obtain that item (e.g. butcher animals in Area xxx). In that context, there is a special type of quest relation. In the lvl30+ area, a hunter offers a quest to get 5 hunter tokens (forgot the correct name). Those are rewarded by turning in rare items looted from certain mobs. The items offer the quest to turn them in in exchange for a token. The item quests are required to finish the token quest, but not to start it (so there is no real pre-requisite relation). I don't know if the items already drop (or offer the quest) when you did not accept the token quest. --Mardur 17:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)